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Our interview of Savannah Wix for “The Creative Influencer” podcast is available today for download on iTunes, Spotify, and premier platforms everywhere. Savannah was crowned Miss Arizona USA 2019, and competed in the Miss USA Pageant just last week. This Scottsdale, Arizona native isn’t just a beauty queen; she is the President of her sorority at Pepperdine University, a self-described professional tree climber, and founder of the HeartStrings Charity, helping children through music and art therapy.
Savannah talks to us about what it takes to be a pageant contestant on a national stage, and how competing in pageants has changed her as a person. We also discuss how she approaches social media, and how she balances it with her already hectic life.
A transcript of the full interview follows:
Jon: I am joined today by Savannah Wix. Welcome to the podcast.
Savannah: Hi there. Thank you.
Jon: We are recording this interview at Pepperdine University in Malibu, California, correct?
Savannah: Yes. Yes we are.
Jon: And Are you a student here?
Savannah: I'm a student at Pepperdine University. Yes, I'm a senior.
Jon: What are you studying?
Savannah: I am going for my degree in Integrated Marketing Communications.
Jon: And we will do a deep dive into some of this, but you are president of your sorority?
Jon: You're involved with a charity?
Savannah: Yes, I am.
Jon: Which we'll come back to. You are also an overachiever. You are Miss America USA.
Savannah: Miss Arizona USA.
Jon: Oh, I'm sorry. I misspoke. That's in three weeks. You're Miss Arizona USA.
Jon: Miss Malibu?
Jon: And before that, Miss Arizona Teen USA 2014.
Savannah: You know, your stuff. Yes.
Jon: I did my research. How can you be both Miss Malibu and Miss Arizona USA at the same time?
Savannah: I was actually previously Miss Malibu, but when I assumed the title of Miss Arizona USA, I had to give up that title. So I no longer hold it, but I was once Miss Malibu.
Jon: Where are you from originally?
Savannah: Paradise Valley, Arizona.
Jon: So that explains Arizona?
Savannah: Yes, exactly.
Jon: I did some research, and there are two competing national organizations. There's Miss America, and Miss USA.
Jon: You'll be competing in the Miss USA pageant, which I've already declared you the winner.
Savannah: Let's hope so.
Jon: When is the pageant?
Savannah: It is on May 2nd.
Jon: And I read where there's actually a week's worth of judging before the pageant ever starts.
Savannah: It is technically a 10 day competition, all leading up to finals night. It is not judged until preliminary competition and finals night.
Jon: Do you know how much it is weighted? You know, like with figure skating, the prelims are a certain part and then the actual performance on the day is a certain part.
Savannah: Yes. So for preliminaries, all 51 contestants compete, so 50 states and Washington, DC. Then the top 15 scores are selected from those, and those 15 will advance on finals night. So you don't know who makes it until finals night. And at that point the scores are wiped clean.
Jon: They start fresh?
Savannah: They start fresh, which is really nice sometimes, if you tripped up a little bit.
Jon: And then the winner competes in the Miss Universe pageant?
Savannah: Yes, which is insane.
Jon: Where is that?
Savannah: It changes every year. Last year it was in Thailand, but they have it all over the place.
Jon: If you win - now I'm talking Miss USA.
Jon: What does your next year look like?
Savannah: Well, they immediately fly you to New York City, and they generously provide the Miss USA and Miss Universe title-holders with an apartment in New York City, and you dedicate your year to whatever your cause is. For me it would be music therapy, mental health awareness, and suicide prevention. You prepare for Miss Universe. But the core of your year is just serving others, making appearances, and going to philanthropies.
Jon: More of my research, I learned that the Miss Universe Organization is owned by William Morris Endeavor, a talent agency in Los Angeles. One of the prior winners - actually Miss Ohio USA - was Halle Berry.
Savannah: She was.
Jon: So the actual pageant that you see on TV, how long is the actual performance, and then how much is it edited down?
Savannah: So the whole 10 days prior to your filming, a lot of the content that you see is like, "Oh, here are contestants enjoying the location, wherever it is, the destination where they have the pageant." So a lot of that is included, 10 days worth of filming, but the actual telecast in itself - I've attended a filming of it - and it is live. It's very close to what you see. It's not really edited.
Savannah: Yeah, it's pretty remarkable.
Jon: From your perspective, what's the most important part of the competition?
Savannah: Important? In what sense?
Jon: Important from your perspective?
Savannah: Interview. At the end of the day, they want someone who's really genuine. And this is what I think, I can't put it in their mouth what they want. But at the end of the day, I think they want someone that's really genuine and genuinely wants to serve others - who can be a role model.
Jon: How are you preparing?
Savannah: Oh my goodness.
Jon: There is a Facebook page dedicated to this.
Savannah: Road to Miss USA.
Jon: And Miss Arizona USA.
Savannah: There are tons of them. But yes, I am of course keeping up on my social media. I am doing the regular title-holder events, which would be appearances supporting my philanthropies, supporting charities, photo shoots. On top of that, I am working like a fiend, eating super clean, training with my trainer Scott Keppel. He's the man. I am doing interview coaching as well, working on really studying up on political events.
Jon: Good, because I also found out there are services that help contestants prepare.
Savannah: There are.
Jon: And I downloaded a free booklet as a precursor.
Savannah: Oh my goodness, you went deep!
Jon: I was like, "Okay, this could be interesting."
Savannah: Which booklet did you do?
Jon: You know what, I don't know, but there were questions - and I'm not going to have you answer these - there were questions like "Things that you can't ask a jury in court. Are you a Republican or Democrat? Do you believe in abortion? Should the government bailout failing companies?" It's like, Oh man, these are no win.
Savannah: They're starting to stray further away from questions like that, because in reality Miss USA during her year is not going to be answering political questions. She's going to be serving others. So recently it's been transitioning more towards "What would you do as Miss USA?" as the final question.
Jon: Well and then there are some lay up questions.
Jon: "Do you think someone's age should be a determining factor when they're hired for a job?" I was like, "Okay, who would say yes to that?" "Do you think it's important for people to vote? Are news outlets such as Fox and CNN too biased in their reporting?" But I did find a couple of great questions that I'm going to ask you now. If you could make an instant change to our planet, what would it be? And you can't see this, but I'm giving a face. This is one from the prep book.
Savannah: I would eradicate mental illness. Depression and anxiety have taken a toll on so many young people, and everyone around the world. I think that if it were to be eradicated, we'd live in a much happier, more peaceful world.
Jon: Good answer.
Savannah: Thank you. I wasn't really prepared for that, but thank you.
Jon: Do you consider yourself a feminist?
Savannah: Yes, I do consider myself a feminist. I define feminism as equality of the sexes. And whether that's equality in the workplace, school admissions, whatever it may be, yes, I'm a feminist. I am for equality.
Jon: How old were you when you entered your first pageant?
Jon: Which pageant was it?
Savannah: It was Miss Arizona Teen USA.
Jon: So that was your first one?
Savannah: Mhmm. But I did not get the title that year. I won the next year. So I came back again.
Jon: And then you've been in the ones we talked about.
Jon: If you have the opportunity to be a judge in a pageant, what questions would you ask the contestants?
Savannah: What does a day in the life of a title-holder look like?
Jon: What does a day in the life of the title-holder look like through your eyes?
Savannah: For me?
Jon: Yes. I'm just flipping the question, right back on you.
Savannah: It's really understanding that it's not about you. Yes, it's glitz and glamor, but it's all making other people feel special, and important, and heard. And at the end of the day, that's what it's about. So whatever it means to have that effect on other people, that's what the day in the life of title-holder should be.
Jon: What would you say to a girl who fears that she's not, and I put this in air quotes, "talented enough" to be a contestant?
Savannah: That's not true. There are so many different people that I've seen compete in pageants of all abilities, of all shapes, of all sizes. And I've seen it firsthand and I've seen them excel at it. There's no reason that anyone can't compete in a pageant.
Jon: Do you have a favorite part?
Savannah: The preparation is so much fun.
Jon: The process.
Savannah: Yeah, totally.
Jon: You said you hired a coach. Tell me about your process.
Savannah: So my coach is actually my sponsor - love him - but the whole training process involves physical training, of course, for the swimsuit portion. For evening gown, you work on walking. Thankfully I grew up doing runway. So that part is kind of -
Jon: You say runway. You're talking as a model.
Savannah: Yes. I grew up doing runway, so that kind of just comes naturally to me. But, more training components include the interview prep, whether that's personal interview or political questions. For political questions, it's a lot of reading up on the news, staying very current on events. For the personal interview - this is my favorite part of preparing - is just becoming more self aware about what you care about, what's important to you, who you are. You have to like really be able to own who you are.
Jon: Sounds a lot like therapy.
Savannah: It's really wonderful. It's really fabulous.
Jon: Has competing in pageants helped you as a person?
Savannah: Professionally, in my relationships, it's helped in so many different ways. It's shown me that I can do more than I think is possible. The interview has definitely helped me become more articulate, I hope. Especially if I'm called to Miss USA top five. I hope I'm articulate.
Jon: Are those the ones who answer questions on TV?
Savannah: Yeah. A lot of those girls just get very nervous.
Jon: Oh, I've seen it. You're in front of a national audience, and the number one fear,
Savannah: Public speaking.
Jon: Public speaking. It's number one over dying. So I can see they're going to get nervous. I'm talking just people in general. Why do you think that some people have a negative view of pageants?
Savannah: From the outside, I totally understand. If someone were to glimpse upon the telecast and see there are girls walking in swimsuits and they're getting graded on their appearance, that would definitely be easily classified as objectification. When you look a little deeper into it, and stick around during the telecast, you discover how much more there is to it. I don't blame people for hating on pageants. I understand where they might be coming from. But pageants are a wonderful self-development tool. Swimsuit, you learn how to take care of yourself. The reason I know how to work out and eat correctly is because I was in pageants. For evening gown, how to walk with grace, how to present yourself. Interview, just goes without saying, how to be articulate.
Jon: If you had a magic wand and could change one thing about the pageant system, is there anything you would change? And by the way, this airs after the Miss USA airs on TV.
Savannah: Oh, really?
Jon: Yes. It drops afterwards.
Savannah: Scary. Haters. Pageant haters. There are some amazing Miss USA fans out there. So many cool fan pages that I just applaud for being so positive. I don't really delve into looking at it much, but I know some of my friends have really gotten down because of negative people.
Jon: And on social media, do you get comments?
Savannah: Yes, of course. It's part of it.
Jon: I interview a lot of influencers, and some of them take it deathly personal. How personal do you take any comments?
Savannah: When I was 15, I took it really personally. But there came a time when I distinctly remember I was being bullied on Twitter in high school. And it was the day after I was crowned Miss Arizona Teen USA, and I kind of just looked at that and I said, "Am I really going to let someone who's down here take me away from the top of my life right now? I am doing my best." Win or lose, I was the best version of myself at that point. Am I really going to care about what this person is saying I'm sure they have their own problems, and they care about you enough to talk about you. Wow. Like, "Wow, they're putting an effort in. You must be doing something right."
Jon: Do judges have access to the contestants’ social media?
Jon: Do they?
Savannah: I believe so. I think so. Now my social media is clean. It's good. Did you find something?
Jon: No, no, no, no, no, no. Your first post that's on Instagram was a very funny post, which I'll ask you about. You have your own website, and you are on Vimeo. Oh yeah. Why did you pick Vimeo over YouTube?
Savannah: So the whole premise of me creating videos was to just capture some of me and my friends just adventuring, having a good time. It wasn't ever meant to be public, but then I started posting them to Vimeo to share them with my friends. It was a private account. And then one of my friends shared a video, and it went public and got a big response and then I go, "This kind of brought people like joy, I guess to watch me have fun." So I'm like, "Sure. I'll make it public." But Vimeo was just the easiest way to share with my friends.
Jon: Now, on Vimeo, you describe yourself as a professional tree climber. What did you mean by that?
Savannah: I love nature. I see God most clearly in nature and feel His presence most clearly when I'm in nature. So I'm not saying I'm a professional at feeling God's presence, but I'm really good at climbing trees and I'll just stay there for a really long time, and just meditate, be at peace. It's just something weird and quirky about me, I guess.
Jon: Your first post - I'm going to shift to Instagram for a second. Your first post on Instagram - it's still there, and I'll ask you about that - is on June 21st, 2013. It is a picture of you with a biohazard bag. And the caption says, "Sorry for being a biohazard." Now, I laughed out loud when I saw that. Because I always go back to the very first post to see what was there. Was that your first post?
Savannah: Yeah. That was it.
Jon: You have a very clean Instagram.
Savannah: Thank you. My sister works in the cancer research field and I went to visit her one day at work and of course, just being myself, I jump into a biohazard bag and I'm like, "take a photo of me. Autoclaved."
Jon: You were in high school?
Savannah: Yeah. My sister has been doing genetic research since she was 15 so I think it was when I was 14. I've been using social media for a while.
Jon: You have a brother and sister.
Savannah: Yes. They're twins.
Jon: Oh, I didn't realize they were twins. The funny thing is, both of them have private accounts.
Savannah: Do they?
Jon: They do.
Savannah: I'm going to tell them to listen to this. Hey, guys.
Jon: And one of them was a scholar studying in London.
Savannah: Yes. My sister.
Jon: A Fulbright Scholar.
Savannah: A Fulbright scholar at Cambridge, in England.
Jon: You come from a family of smart people. So do you have a schedule of when you post, or is it more free floating?
Savannah: Free floating for sure. I used to in the past - say two years ago - I used to say "I have to post four times a week. I have to post five or six times a week." Especially when I was traveling abroad, it was like, "Content, content, content. Always putting out content."
Jon: One of my clients says, "Content, baby, Content."
Savannah: And it just became not fun anymore. It kind of took the joy out of it to try to get content. I've never been the person to dress up and put on makeup and be like, "I have to get a picture today." That's not me. If I get a picture, cool, sweet. But I'm not going to force anything.
Jon: But you have some great photos when you were modeling.
Savannah: Oh yeah. Those are just fun things I get to share.
Jon: There's a sticker photo.
Savannah: Oh yes. Veronica Sams took that. That one was fabulous. That was so fun.
Jon: And then you're also on Twitter.
Savannah: I wouldn't say I'm on Twitter. I just like re-tweeting funny things.
Jon: That's it, because you do a lot of re-tweeting. How do you pick what to re-tweet? What's your criteria?
Savannah: It has to be appropriate, on-brand.
Jon: On-brand being? What's your brand?
Savannah: All over the place, but just fun. I definitely want to sprinkle my intellectual side in there every once in a while. How do I brand myself? I need to come up with a brand statement.
Jon: Come up with a brand, yes.
Savannah: Positioning statement.
Jon: Your elevator pitch for your brand. What's your favorite social media platform?
Savannah: Honestly, Twitter, because I don't feel inclined to post anything on it.
Jon: For consumption purposes, what's your favorite?
Savannah: Twitter. It's so funny.
Jon: What question do you ask to find out the most about a person?
Savannah: Am I supposed to just rattle these off?
Jon: No. Those questions are rehearsed. I watched a bunch of those interviews when I was going through this.
Savannah: I'm like, "There's no way."
Jon: There is no Way. Because there wasn't a single flub. Everybody had a great, witty answer.
Savannah: "What are you most passionate about?"
Jon: What are you most passionate about?
Savannah: Music. Of course, music.
Jon: What question would you like to know the answer to?
Savannah: Can we all just agree that eating cookie dough raw is better? Can we all just agree?
Jon: Yes, yes.
Savannah: It's just better.
Jon: Why it gets baked is beyond me. Okay, favorite brunch spot?
Savannah: True food kitchen.
Jon: In Santa Monica?
Savannah: There's a couple in Phoenix too. It started in Phoenix.
Jon: Oh it started in Phoenix? I get my restaurant knowledge here. Favorite food?
Savannah: Mashed potatoes.
Jon: Least favorite food?
Savannah: Brussels sprouts, unless they're fried.
Jon: I grew up hating Brussels sprouts. I was in Brussels and I refused to eat Brussels sprouts. I discovered them about six months ago. They're actually pretty good.
Savannah: When they're done well. Okay, poorly cooked Brussels sprouts. There we go.
Jon: There you go. Do you collect anything?
Savannah: Vinyl records.
Jon: How long have you collected vinyl?
Savannah: About seven years now.
Jon: I gave away so much vinyl.
Jon: I look back on it now, and it's like, "Oh." I saved the top twenty, about, but still.
Savannah: Yeah, those come right back in style.
Jon: What's your first concert that you went to?
Jon: What's the best concert you've been to?
Jon: If you had 30 minutes a day to do anything you wanted, what would you do?
Savannah: Swimming in the ocean on a hot day.
Jon: On a hot day, yes. Sunday it's supposed to be 80 degrees. If you could pick one for the next 30 days: Netflix, podcasts, YouTube or books, you can only have one, what would it be?
Jon: What's your favorite podcast?
Savannah: Stuff you should know.
Jon: What TV channel doesn't exist, but should?
Savannah: The baking channel. I know the Food channel is very close, but I don't care about cooking. I just care about baking.
Jon: Yet you eat your cookie dough raw. There's a contradiction there.
Savannah: I like baking pies. There are other great baking things.
Jon: Favorite movie?
Savannah: Alice in Wonderland.
Savannah: The nostalgia about it. It's just so calming to me.
Jon: Last movie that made you cry?
Savannah: Whatever the last movie I saw was. What was the last movie I saw? I cried thinking about that lady Gaga movie.
Jon: A Star Is Born?
Savannah: A Star Is Born. I haven't even seen it. I cried thinking about it. Someone told me the ending and I just started crying.
Jon: If you could star in a movie, who would you choose as your co-store?
Savannah: My sister, Sophie. We'd be these two really cool girls.
Jon: Your guilty pleasure?
Savannah: I need to stop saying cookie dough.
Jon: It could be cookie dough. Uh,
Savannah: Honestly, sardines.
Savannah: Yeah. You're like, "I don't know how to respond to that."
Jon: That would be on my least favorite food list. What is something that people would be surprised to learn about you?
Savannah: I sang opera for eight years.
Savannah: Yeah. I was trained classically.
Jon: And you also sang at a ballpark?
Savannah: Yes, multiple times.
Jon: Multiple times?
Savannah: Yeah. During spring training, I sang at the San Francisco Giants versus Diamond Backs game three years in a row because I love my D-Backs - my Dodgers, sorry. Dodgers.
Jon: How did you get that gig?
Savannah: I sent in an audition tape to the Giants organization, and they just kept asking for me to come back every year. It was so, so cool.
Jon: That is, actually.
Savannah: Thank you.
Jon: What's one talent that you wish you had?
Savannah: Swimming? I can swim, but I can't swim, swim.
Jon: If you had a genie and you could ask for one physical thing, what would you ask for?
Savannah: The Miss USA Crown?.
Jon: That was a lay up question. I didn't even see it coming. What's your biggest pet peeve?
Savannah: When people sing lyrics to a song wrong.
Jon: We are not going to be able to hang out together. What's the most annoying habit that other people have? Clipping their fingernails?
Savannah: I think maybe chewing their nails. That's weird.
Jon: Have you ever been star-struck?
Jon: With who? It's okay. Who was it?
Savannah: Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh God. I'm not going to die.
Jon: I almost got run over by him. He was riding his bicycle, and he almost ran me over.
Savannah: Oh yeah, he just -
Jon: He goes.
Savannah: He flies.
Jon: What's your most used emoji?
Savannah: The two hearts. The two pink hearts.
Jon: What's the best compliment you've ever received?
Savannah: You make me feel important.
Jon: That's a good one. Do you feel more comfortable in small gatherings or large parties?
Savannah: Small gatherings.
Jon: What's the luckiest thing that's happened to you?
Savannah: That's a kind of this white space, huh? It's a hard one. I'm trying to think of like near death experiences.
Jon: So let me shift gears, then. This will be easier, because you've lived this. Photo shoots. When was your first photo shoot? You said you did runways when you were how old? When was your first run away?
Savannah: I was probably seven.
Jon: How did that start?
Savannah: I just was interested in acting. I always thought it was fun. So my mom set me up with a little children's agency. My mom always was very supportive of things that I wanted to try, whatever it was. I wanted to try karate. Okay. I went to it for a day and I'm like, "Eh, this is not for me." She's like, "Okay." But this acting thing kind of stuck. One of my first ones we chose was where I was in a Halloween costume fashion show.
Jon: Where? In Arizona?
Savannah: Yes. It was adorable.
Jon: And what were you dressed up as?
Savannah: I'm pretty sure I was Tinker Bell. I thought I was so fabulous.
Jon: Well, now when you're an adult, looking back, it's cliché. But when you're seven, it's not cliché.
Savannah: Oh, I thought I was the girl.
Jon: How many runway shows have you been on?
Savannah: I can't even count. I don't know. Just, so many. Lots.
Jon: Lots. Photo shoots?
Savannah: I have no idea at this point.
Jon: Now, I saw that you pick an official Miss USA, Miss Arizona USA photo for the Miss USA pageant. How did you pick that photo?
Savannah: How did I? Well, there's one photographer I love to work with in particular. It's a treat, really. His name is Fadil Berisha. He is located in New York City, and I actually flew all the way out there to shoot with him. He is the official photographer of Rolex. He's shot some of my favorite artists and is just so fun to work with. He's kind of like, "Once again, crazy. Just a little crazy."
Jon: How long did the photo shoot last to get that one photo?
Savannah: Three hours. Most of it was in hair and makeup. Most of photo shoots are hair and makeup. The actual shoot itself was probably an hour and a half.
Jon: And did you pick the photo that ultimately went on?
Savannah: Mhmm. Yeah.
Jon: How did you decide? I mean, what was your criteria?
Savannah: I wanted something that looked like me, because with a lot of Photoshop today - that's what I love about Fadil is he doesn't Photoshop a lot - a lot of Photoshop today, things can get unnatural or like different poses. I wanted to showcase what I look like every day. And so my makeup's pretty natural. It's really toned down, really light and airy, and just -
Jon: Not all glammed up.
Savannah: Yeah. I look like me.
Jon: And do all the contestants do that? Not the makeup, I'm talking about the official photo.
Savannah: Yes. Everyone chooses their own, depending on what their director prefers. By my director lets me have a lot of autonomy.
Jon: We're going to go a little bit reflection and then we're going to talk about your charity. What's a question you wish people would stop asking you?
Savannah: Are you on the Pepperdine sand volleyball team? No, I'm just tall and blonde.
Jon: Well, the sand volleyball team does have a look.
Jon: They could all be sisters.
Savannah: I know, yeah.
Jon: They practice at Zuma, and I go for walks at Zuma on the weekend. The first time I saw it I thought, "They can't all be sisters."
Savannah: It's a family reunion.
Jon: Yeah, exactly. And they all can jump. Do you consider yourself to be an influencer?
Savannah: I'd rather say a role model than an influencer.
Jon: How do you make the distinction?
Savannah: A role model has more of a positive connotation in my mind.
Jon: Have you had an "I've made it" moment?
Savannah: Yes. Multiple times in my life.
Jon: When was your last one?
Savannah: My last one was when I won Miss Arizona USA.
Jon: When was your first one?
Savannah: I won a national triathlon when I was 10 years old.
Jon: I thought you said you couldn't swim?
Jon: What's the best piece of advice you've ever received?
Savannah: Just to be myself.
Jon: What's the worst piece of advice you've received?
Savannah: Be someone else.
Jon: And you're the grizzled veteran at this point, but if you could go back and talk to your 10 year old self, what would you tell your 10 year old self?
Savannah: Follow your dreams, and just do it unabashedly. But you probably don't know what that word means. Just to do it.
Jon: But look it up.
Savannah: Look it up, kid.
Jon: So, I want to end on talking about your charity. Tell me about Heartstrings.
Savannah: Well, I actually founded HeartStrings when I was 15. Mainly with the idea of providing music therapy instruments, whether it was art, or musical instruments, for children at different local hospitals around the valley. Just because I find that a lot of my personal healing has been done through music and through the arts. It's a really wonderful outlet. But through time it's kind of developed into something completely the same but different in that my personal healing has been my mental health healing. And I've seen music touch so many other people's lives that I've wanted Heartstrings to become a sort of way to educate especially younger children about how to deal with difficult situations through positive outlets. Fundraising for mental health organizations, especially through concerts, musical showcases, any means that I can. I'm going to be holding a showcase in a couple of weeks as part of my sendoff party.
Savannah: In Arizona. I'm very excited. So that should be a lot of fun. But HeartStrings has become just this multifaceted kind of - anything that aligns with like music therapy, I want to do it all.
Jon: And were can people learn more about it?
Savannah: You can find more at heartstringscharity.org.
Jon: One last question. Where can people find you on the Internet?
Savannah: You can find me all over the place. Find me at savannahwix.com, @SavannahWix on Instagram, @SavannahWix24 on Twitter, and Miss Arizona USA accounts all over.
Jon: Thank you. It's been fun.
Savannah: It's been great. Thank you.
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